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		<title>By: Pop Ramblings &#124; A Home on HUH? Island: Locke, Smocke, and One Drinking Sawyer</title>
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		<description>[...] approached each of the people at a weak point in their lives (that’s one point for Summer for correctly theorizing on that at the end of last season). From that moment on, Jacob controlled certain situations to bring them all to the island because [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questions:&lt;br /&gt;5. That would be awesome…haven’t seen it yet, although I think Vincent is somehow a lookout or something for Jacob. Haven’t put a ton of thought into it yet though.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. I don’t know that this means a whole lot of anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. As of Season 5, Jacob and Esau were Island Originals…or were they?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. I doubt it…look back at my Alpert seeing them all die statement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The first question could be asked twice…who is coming in the present in response to Jacob’s “They’re coming.” Also, who is coming when Jacob and Esau are on the beach.&lt;br /&gt;First – Shadow of the Statue&lt;br /&gt;Second – It is definitely the Black Rock. Now why were they brought to the Island. We know in the history of the Black Rock that it was a slave/mining trading ship owned by Magnus Hanso, who was aboard the ship when it disappeared in 1881. It was last seen sailing East from Papa New Guinea instead of the set course of West. Why is the question. Did Jacob bring them as seen in the Season Finale or did Hanso know about an Island, had close coordinates, got close, then Jacob ushered them in? These must be the original Island inhabitants because Esau was so mad that Jacob was bringing them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Steve’s Big Questions:&lt;br /&gt;1. What happened to Esau’s human form that Jacob seems to have maintained or returned to?&lt;br /&gt;2. Why is Richard the ‘messenger’? Why is he ageless? We know it is a gift from Jacob but why? Part of the Black Rock crew?&lt;br /&gt;3. What happened to the statue?&lt;br /&gt;4. What is Lapidus a ‘candidate’ for? Simple answer = Shadow of the Statue, but could they mean something else?&lt;br /&gt;5. What side is Widmore on? Not sure yet…he wanted Locke to go back, but it seems he wanted him to go back alive. &lt;br /&gt;6. The canoe – We have seen every ‘flash’ occur in real time to explain the happenings surrounding our flashing survivors. The only one we haven’t seen is the canoe chase where one of the trailing canoe members is shot. Who is shot and at what point does this take place?&lt;br /&gt;7. From Season 3, a student in a Ben flashback asks Olivia Goodspeed about the volcano that used to be quite active on the Island. Does this have anything to do with the past inhabitants/older Others on the Island or maybe the original inhabitants?&lt;br /&gt;8. What is Claire up to? Maybe at the Black Rock? Remember her recurring dreams from Season 1 about being held at the Black Rock and not being allowed to leave?&lt;br /&gt;9. Aaron is going to play a role this final season…in a Claire dream season 1 Locke appears with one white and one black eye saying… “It was your responsibility but you gave him away. Everyone pays the price now.”&lt;br /&gt;10. Finally… Desmond being able to predict the future in Season 3, I think ties into why he could predict the future after he turns the key in the Swan hatch. He was thrown back to a point in time that he already experienced. They are memories, and if he changes little things than he can affectively change the present but not the fate of people. What if Desmond has experienced that period of time on the Island when he could predict the future, but was thrown back to that point after doing something big in the final season?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions:<br />5. That would be awesome…haven’t seen it yet, although I think Vincent is somehow a lookout or something for Jacob. Haven’t put a ton of thought into it yet though.</p>
<p>4. I don’t know that this means a whole lot of anything.</p>
<p>3. As of Season 5, Jacob and Esau were Island Originals…or were they?</p>
<p>2. I doubt it…look back at my Alpert seeing them all die statement.</p>
<p>1. The first question could be asked twice…who is coming in the present in response to Jacob’s “They’re coming.” Also, who is coming when Jacob and Esau are on the beach.<br />First – Shadow of the Statue<br />Second – It is definitely the Black Rock. Now why were they brought to the Island. We know in the history of the Black Rock that it was a slave/mining trading ship owned by Magnus Hanso, who was aboard the ship when it disappeared in 1881. It was last seen sailing East from Papa New Guinea instead of the set course of West. Why is the question. Did Jacob bring them as seen in the Season Finale or did Hanso know about an Island, had close coordinates, got close, then Jacob ushered them in? These must be the original Island inhabitants because Esau was so mad that Jacob was bringing them.</p>
<p>Steve’s Big Questions:<br />1. What happened to Esau’s human form that Jacob seems to have maintained or returned to?<br />2. Why is Richard the ‘messenger’? Why is he ageless? We know it is a gift from Jacob but why? Part of the Black Rock crew?<br />3. What happened to the statue?<br />4. What is Lapidus a ‘candidate’ for? Simple answer = Shadow of the Statue, but could they mean something else?<br />5. What side is Widmore on? Not sure yet…he wanted Locke to go back, but it seems he wanted him to go back alive. <br />6. The canoe – We have seen every ‘flash’ occur in real time to explain the happenings surrounding our flashing survivors. The only one we haven’t seen is the canoe chase where one of the trailing canoe members is shot. Who is shot and at what point does this take place?<br />7. From Season 3, a student in a Ben flashback asks Olivia Goodspeed about the volcano that used to be quite active on the Island. Does this have anything to do with the past inhabitants/older Others on the Island or maybe the original inhabitants?<br />8. What is Claire up to? Maybe at the Black Rock? Remember her recurring dreams from Season 1 about being held at the Black Rock and not being allowed to leave?<br />9. Aaron is going to play a role this final season…in a Claire dream season 1 Locke appears with one white and one black eye saying… “It was your responsibility but you gave him away. Everyone pays the price now.”<br />10. Finally… Desmond being able to predict the future in Season 3, I think ties into why he could predict the future after he turns the key in the Swan hatch. He was thrown back to a point in time that he already experienced. They are memories, and if he changes little things than he can affectively change the present but not the fate of people. What if Desmond has experienced that period of time on the Island when he could predict the future, but was thrown back to that point after doing something big in the final season?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.popramblings.com/2009/06/09/see-ya-in-another-year-brotha/comment-page-1/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my longest comment ever...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Theories:&lt;br /&gt;5. Doubtful – already mentioned by Faraday which means it probably won’t happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. First off, I don’t yet believe that this is the ‘Incident’. If you go back to Season 2, I believe, when Locke and Eko are watching the orientation tape for the Swan, Pierre Chang mentions the Incident, but says it happened after the hatch was already operable. He says experiments were taking place in the Swan before the ‘Incident’ occurred. Could be a lie but who knows? Kelvin also describes the ‘Incident’ to Desmond as an energy leak. He worked at the Swan with Rudzinsky…was this pre or post-Incident or both. Pierre also warns that using the computer for anything other than the numbers may lead to another ‘Incident’. He has lied in videos before, however, as seen in the Pearl Hatch orientation. &lt;br /&gt;With response to our re-entrants getting flipped back to the present…could be possible, but remember Richard Alpert told Sun and faux-Locke that he saw them all die after he looked at the picture. Richard was not at the hatch, that we know of, as Juliet ignited the H-bomb, so what happens next in the past on the island? What does kill them and what was Richard doing there when the die?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. I’ve thought about this a bunch and haven’t come up with an answer…although it is interesting that Jacob visited each main survivor in the past EXCEPT Hurley and Sayid, who he visited after returning to the world from the island.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. I’m not sure about this in whole…family lines don’t add up. Widmore and Ben aren’t Esau’s and Jacob’s sons respectively. Alex isn’t related to Ben. Although Penny is Widmore’s son. I agree with this point as Jacob vs Esau, but the rest is a bit flawed IMO.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. I was not on board with this totally right after Season 5, but in rewatching the first few seasons, I’m getting more on board. Still not completely convinced that they are one in the same, although they probably are, they are definitely related somehow. My bigger question is Smokey appearing as a ‘white light’ to some people. Locke remarks to Eko that the first time he saw Smokey, it was a “beautiful white light.” When Juliet is handcuffed to Kate in the jungle as the Others leave in Season 3, Smokey comes to them and appears in front of Juliet as a flashing white light. The bigger question that pertains is, we know Smokey/Esau had bigger plans for Locke, and he saw the white Smokey light. Does he have bigger plans for Juliet…i.e. she’s not dead. Smokey judges, but those who are ‘good’ don’t necessarily see the white light…food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my longest comment ever&#8230;</p>
<p>Theories:<br />5. Doubtful – already mentioned by Faraday which means it probably won’t happen.</p>
<p>4. First off, I don’t yet believe that this is the ‘Incident’. If you go back to Season 2, I believe, when Locke and Eko are watching the orientation tape for the Swan, Pierre Chang mentions the Incident, but says it happened after the hatch was already operable. He says experiments were taking place in the Swan before the ‘Incident’ occurred. Could be a lie but who knows? Kelvin also describes the ‘Incident’ to Desmond as an energy leak. He worked at the Swan with Rudzinsky…was this pre or post-Incident or both. Pierre also warns that using the computer for anything other than the numbers may lead to another ‘Incident’. He has lied in videos before, however, as seen in the Pearl Hatch orientation. <br />With response to our re-entrants getting flipped back to the present…could be possible, but remember Richard Alpert told Sun and faux-Locke that he saw them all die after he looked at the picture. Richard was not at the hatch, that we know of, as Juliet ignited the H-bomb, so what happens next in the past on the island? What does kill them and what was Richard doing there when the die?</p>
<p>3. I’ve thought about this a bunch and haven’t come up with an answer…although it is interesting that Jacob visited each main survivor in the past EXCEPT Hurley and Sayid, who he visited after returning to the world from the island.</p>
<p>2. I’m not sure about this in whole…family lines don’t add up. Widmore and Ben aren’t Esau’s and Jacob’s sons respectively. Alex isn’t related to Ben. Although Penny is Widmore’s son. I agree with this point as Jacob vs Esau, but the rest is a bit flawed IMO.</p>
<p>1. I was not on board with this totally right after Season 5, but in rewatching the first few seasons, I’m getting more on board. Still not completely convinced that they are one in the same, although they probably are, they are definitely related somehow. My bigger question is Smokey appearing as a ‘white light’ to some people. Locke remarks to Eko that the first time he saw Smokey, it was a “beautiful white light.” When Juliet is handcuffed to Kate in the jungle as the Others leave in Season 3, Smokey comes to them and appears in front of Juliet as a flashing white light. The bigger question that pertains is, we know Smokey/Esau had bigger plans for Locke, and he saw the white Smokey light. Does he have bigger plans for Juliet…i.e. she’s not dead. Smokey judges, but those who are ‘good’ don’t necessarily see the white light…food for thought.</p>
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